HOW does Jesus save?

Rite Beyond Rome responds to MORE GOOD THINKING on http://www.Catholica.com.au

Jesus is saviour: what does it mean?

by Francis @, Kingsgrove, NSW, Saturday, April 08, 2017, 04:44 (8 hours, 9 minutes ago) @ Ynot

“It was like a rising from the dead…” doesn’t explain the transformation of the disciples after Pentecost, or the comment in Acts that “it was impossible for death to hold him”. Again, “if Christ did not rise” quoting St Paul in I Corinthians 15, our faith is in vain and our sins are not forgiven.”   M (courtesy of Francis)

Rite Beyond Rome responds:

How can we understand the Christ rising, apart from the traditional sense?
Must that rising be constrained in traditional belief in a physical flesh and blood way?
Or is there a rising that goes beyond such a physical phenomenon?
A rising of spirit that cannot be destroyed no matter the forces of evil against it…
a transformation like Pentecost perhaps?

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We know in our bones that love saves…
when it is larger than its often idolatrous or cultic variations…
when love is what we call divine.

Is it Jesus who saves by his physical death and rising?
OR
Does salvation depend on the acceptance/obedience/practice of
Jesus’ often crucifying practice and message to
“Love one another as I have loved you”…?
Is it the embrace and practice of this Jesus love that “does” the actual saving?

Is it this very loving that forgives sins…because such love cannot hold judgments and hurts in the same breath as the divine love to which Jesus calls us?
Is it this humanly divine practice of love that makes it impossible
for physical death to hold us?

Our thanks for the questions M called forth through Francis for the coming Holy Week…

Sisters Lea and Consilia
https://RiteBeyondRome.com

Ours is just one of many responses to Tony Lawless’ essay, “A Palm Sunday reflection on the meaning of Obedience”  http://www.catholica.com.au/forum/index.php?mode=thread&id=197593#p197641

 

A “new style of ministry, but no new doctrine”?

“It is clear that a new ecclesial style is being called for, and this new style requires an understanding of the variety of situations that must be dealt with,” said Archbishop Vincenzo Paglia, president of the Pontifical Council for the Family.

Source: Vatican official: Amoris Laetitia calls for new style of ministry, but no new doctrine : News Headlines | Catholic Culture

Our response:
IS IT all about “a new ecclesial style”? 
Be kind to Catholics and they will come flooding back into the Church?
Sounds like news commentators on the U.S. election…
where  “poise and style” are more important than truth and facts.

For Catholics, DOCTRINE is truth and facts (or at least it is supposed to be)
…so we better get doctrine right with Vatican II…
right with the Vatican II orientation to God, self and other…
if Vatican II is to make any substantial contribution to the modern world.

Roman Rite Catholicism brings immutability and permanence to the Church
in the belief that these are gifts of God .
“New style ministry” will serve Roman Rite Catholicism very well,
smoothing over hurts inflicted on individuals in the past,
comforting those who long for stability in a world of change.

Vatican II Catholicism, however, honors aggiornamento (“the act of bringing something up to date to meet current needs”) as gift of the Holy Spirit.
This aggiornamento for Vatican II Catholics means more than
updating ministry style or incorporating the internet as a means of evangelization.

“New style ministry”  is not enough aggiornamento for Vatican II Catholics! 
Scientific facts about the universe, human sexuality, climate change, etc…
for many Catholics, perceptions on these have all changed significantly
since the Second Ecumenical Vatican Council of 1962-1965.
In order to actualize a more profound aggiornamento, the Catholic Church needs
a Vatican II Catholic Rite/Church in union with Rome.

Vatican II Rite aggiornamento means transvaluing the very core
of Catholic belief and practice
in much the same way that
Judaism had to transvalue itself after the destruction of the Temple in 70 C.E.
Permanent Temple Destruction for Judaism required far more than
simple revision of Temple/high priest-oriented theology and practice.

Destruction of the Jewish Temple required a total re-build of its core theology and practicearound home, synagogue, and Sabbath
as the new “presence of God” experience.
It required what Jacob Neuser, author of numerous works on the history of Judaism,
called TRANSVALUTION:“Everything had to be re-classified according to new information”…from values and interpretation of history to practice to
“unprecedented rereading of established symbols in fresh and striking ways…”

When Matthew Fox responds to Bishop Spong’s
“12 Principles and the Future of Religion,”
he is writing about doctrinal transvaluation in terms of a Vatican II+ orientation.
http://progressivechristianity.org/resources/responding-to-bishop-spongs-12-principles-and-the-future-of-religion/

Roman Rite Catholicism has no desire or need for doctrinal transvaluation.
Vatican II Rite Catholicism needs it desperately!
Agree?  or Disagree?

Sisters Lea and Consilia
https://RiteBeyondRome.com