When a church announces what’s called a Jericho March (or a Jericho Walk), you might picture congregants praying, walking around a building, trumpets blasting and an odd gospel song. You might forget, however, what comes next. From Joshua 6:20-21:When the trumpets sounded, the army shouted
As noted recently in the New York Times and elsewhere, the Jews of Ukraine have plenty of reason for concern. History has not been kind to the Jewish communities of Eastern Europe: from pogroms to the Holocaust, the memory of historical trauma is very much alive. But as Russia commences a war in Ukr
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Holy Thursday, The Ultimate Revolution
Beatrice Bruteau, in her book, THE HOLY THURSDAY REVOLUTION details two Jesus events that were and still are revolutionary challenges to the prevailing domination paradigm:
- Washing the Feet of His Followers…where masters and lords are the ones to be served by “lower caste” in the domination paradigm.
- Sharing Bread and Cup in Loving Communion of Equals…WITH those who considered themselves as less than their Teacher.
These two events were each strong statements and symbolic signs that the long-held paradigm of inequality and domination was repudiated, no longer to be held as God’s Will.
For this life-long breaking of domination cultural rules, Jesus was crucified and for this he rose again in the Jesus’ Movement that all generations may know… THAT THE WAY OF GOD IS COMMUNION, NOT the Domination Paradigm of INEQUALITY. For this, many after Jesus have been “crucified and risen again and again” over the centuries in order that the Communion Paradigm of All People may not perish from this earth.
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Holy Thursday, The Ultimate Revolution
Even though polls indicate approximately half of U.S. Catholics follow Pope Benedict XVI’s magisterial decrees on how Catholics should evaluate voting issues, that half is a rather large bargaining chip for the present church-state alliance in which Cardinal Timothy M. Dolan engages a certain political party.
Although the Catholic vote is now almost evenly divided between opposing political parties, half of the 51 million adult Catholic population distributed nationwide still represent a large bargaining chip for the present U.S. Catholic Church. A much-needed bargaining chip, indeed, as the U.S. Catholic bishops struggle to avoid large-scale legal prosecution for past clerical abuses in pending court cases nationwide.
While striving to avoid parish and diocesan bankruptcy, the U.S. bishops are also making every effort to save the Church’s approximately 6,000 Catholic schools serving close to 2 million U.S. students (20% of whom are not Catholic).
The present situation of the U.S. Church-state alliance with the GOP, though embarrassing for some bishops, claims justification in the magisterial teachings of Pope Saint John Paul II and Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI and even early Church Fathers as cited and propagated by Eternal Word Television Network, EWTN Global Catholic Network.
Meanwhile, the GOP is determined to pack the court and do whatever it takes to over-turn Roe vs Wade Supreme Court decision that protected a woman’s right to privacy under the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.
Imagine what other rights to privacy can be overturned if this one passes Supreme Court muster! Genetic testing? Doctor-patient confidentiality? Business trade secrets? Lawyer-client privilege? Financial confidentiality?
Ah, so Vatican II was just another one of those Church Councils, was it?
Well, no, it was obviously a very dangerous Council because it could have changed today’s Church and World had it not been perceived as a threat to Roman Rite Catholicism.
“Keep Vatican II from rupturing the Church” has been the main concern of post-Vatican II popes. “Spiritualize it…Absorb it into the traditional Church and we will be all the better for it.”
Pope Francis takes a different turn. His strategy is to socialize Vatican II by focusing it on helping the poor and away from doctrinal change which undergirds traditional Roman hierarchical structure.
Is the World better off without the full implementation of Vatican II as a new Catholic Rite with its open vs. closed-system approach to World and Church?
Let’s see…Would we have …
▪ Massive failure of Christian conscience in regard to world response to the global immigrant crisis…a crisis too similar to the global failure of Christian conscience at the time of the Holocaust. Such moral failure, including the introduction of nuclear warfare, were major reasons the Second Vatican Council was convened.
- 2019 Update: Would the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops have been so hyper-focused on abortion that they would make it the “preeminent” determining factor for Catholic voters in 2016 AND 2020? …putting Church, State, and World in serious spiritual, political, economic and environmental jeopardy globally. https://www.ncronline.org/news/people/bishops-meeting-reveals-division-over-how-influence-political-debate
Would we be engaged in the following global/national phenomena today if a Vatican II RITE had been allowed to emerge out of the Council by the 1980’s?
• Significant increase in ethnic and religious wars?
• New rise in rampant racism, anti-Semitism, and xenophobia?
• So many favored national candidates with anti-xyz tyrannical positions?
• First world regression into old self-satisfied nationalism and denominationalism?
• Aggressive controversy in media (including blogs) replacing efforts at genuine dialog?
• Corporate lobbying vs. climate control, bank regulation, and domestic programs?
• 2019 Update: Would the 2019 outgoing bishops’ conference president, Cardinal Daniel DiNardo of Galveston-Houston, called climate change “important” but not “urgent” if Vatican II had been encouraged, even allowed to mature in its relationship to the world?
IS the Church better off for having resisted the movement of Vatican II toward a paradigm shift in theology, governance and liturgy?
Let’s see…would there have been…
▪ Long and strong resistance to accountability for the clergy sex abuse scandal, especially at higher bureaucratic levels?
▪ Conservative/liberal rupture within the Church…with parishes, religious communities and families split asunder…even the Church itself.
▪ Unprecedented and continued loss of practicing and dedicated Catholics from parishes in much of the world…including loss of vocations to priesthood and religious life…including loss of women to ordained ministry.
According to Cardinal Kasper: “We have neither fully implemented the council nor really received the post-conciliar documents; they have remained without consequence. We are at a standstill.” (Cardinal Kasper, ORIGENS, July 2, 2015 (Volume 45, No. 9) “Vatican II: Toward a Multifaceted Unity”)
Has Vatican II been resisted as a Council because it is such a paradigm shift in perspective from Roman [Opus-EWTN Evangelical] Catholicism…so much so that…
…in order to become once again an effective moral influence in the modern world,..We desperately need a Vatican II Rite?
…alongside the 23 other different inter-independent Catholic Rites,
…a Vatican II Rite to stand in sisterly/brotherly union with Rome?
2019 Update: If not a Post-Vatican II Rite, then a Post-Vatican II Prelature…to have some canonical standing and canonical future next to the majority Opus Dei Prelature (now morphed into the Catholic majority EWTN-Evangelical Church). What is a prelature?
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*Original copy posted on this site 06/03/2016
See article: Pope Francis kisses feet of South Sudan’s leaders at conclusion of ecumenical retreat | ICN
Google “Pope Francis South Sudan” to see just how stunned people were.
“The pope encouraged the two leaders to find common ground.
‘I urge you, then, to seek what unites you, beginning with the fact that you belong to one and the same people, and to overcome all that divides you,’ he said.
…Then he sought the leaders’ permission to approach, and stunned the men [and woman] by kneeling.” (parenthesis ours)
This April 2019 event…What outstanding witness to Holy Week and to a world caught up in ethic wars and political, social and religious polarization!
WHY DOES THIS NEWS FAIL to get larger
media coverage within the Church?
…not simply the facts, but the SPIRIT of the event?
…in National Catholic publications and diocesan newspapers?
in sermons perhaps?
Instead we get careful words and more careful pictures
so as not to upset whom?
Video of pope struggling to get up and down several times was just removed even from webpage of article by Independent Catholic News. Was that because we must not allow the world to see him struggling to do the very thing his heart and soul have called him to do?
Pope Francis’ actions in South Sudan were Eucharistic, closely connected to Holy Thursday and Jesus’ example as detailed in Beatrice Bruteau’s book,
THE HOLY THURSDAY REVOLUTION.
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“I am surprised that the presence of Christ has been reduced to the male sex,” said Sister Ruth Schönenberger, head of the Benedictine Priory of Tutzing, the Bavarian motherhouse of a worldwide missionary order.
Seems that Church criminal activity IS the result of failed theology…according to Robert Mickens quoting Church historian, Massimo Faggioli, in Mickens’ recent article “Why Catholic Church leaders risk failing on the issue of sexual abuse”
Scrolling down Mickens’ article to the subheading The ongoing implosion of the Church, we find these words:
“As Massimo Faggioli suggested in a recent article published by La Croix International.” says Mickens,
It is not simply a question of dealing with a criminal phenomenon. It is also a theological question: from the theology of the sacraments (especially ordination to the priesthood) to ecclesiological models; from the role of women in the Church to last century’s magisterium on sexual morality. (Bold emphasis ours)
“The most complicated issue concerns the structural reforms required to address the mystique surrounding the priesthood and the episcopate, which are often still seen as positions of honor without the responsibilities that derive from holy orders.
(Indented text and absence of most quote marks in above two paragraphs are as in original Mickens’ article.)
At Rite Beyond Rome, we believe that Church criminal activity IS the result of failed theology.
If Vatican II had been taken seriously by the Church preceding Francis, it would not have been dismissed as simply a pastoral council.
If Vatican II had been taken seriously back in the 1970’s, 80’s, 90’s up to the present day, collegial community would have been the hallmark of a modern theology transvalued in light of the very core of the Gospels and Church Tradition of Collegial Community…and not simply in light of episcopal collegiality which was also suppressed.
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Tradition Reminds Us: Theological Differences Need Not Rupture the Unity of the Church
Eastern Catholics, while fully Catholic and in communion with Rome, differ in more ways than just liturgy.
They also possess a unique spiritual tradition, as well as a unique theological approach.
Roman Opus-genre Evangelical Catholicism also possesses its own traditionalist spiritual and theological approach significantly aligned with Church Councils prior to 1962…as different from Vatican II (1962-65) which was distinctly different from prior councils in its non-absolutist approach to Catholic theology, government, and liturgy. (See https://www.scribd.com/document/311633660/Exploring-a-VATICAN-II-Catholic-Rite)
A uniquely transformative council from its very outset, Vatican II was often perceived as a threat to traditionalist Catholicism and its future. In light of this perception, Popes John Paul II and Benedict XVI gave Opus Dei the canonical status and structure of a papal prelature in support of its existence and propagation throughout the world. To date, this move has resulted in the resurgence of traditional Catholicism globally.
Consequently, now it is the Post-Vatican II Church which is in danger of disappearing into Opus-genre Evangelical Catholicism with its well-funded strategic focus on laity as the servants of a clerical Church. (See Heidi Schlumpf’s three-part FOCUS series at https://www.ncronline.org/news/accountability/focus-campus-ministry-has-big-money-conservative-connections
Meanwhile, the post-Vatican II Church falls into the background… as if the Second Vatican Council was about nothing more than spiritual renewal and the laity’s call to holiness.
Opus-genre Evangelical Catholicism is now the majority universal expression of Catholicism. Given this, perhaps we ought to pay more attention to the Catholic tradition of unity in diversity that existed for many centuries between Rome and those Eastern Catholic Churches in union with Rome. The quote below is from a website introducing the West to Eastern Catholicism:
“Is it true that the Eastern Catholic Churches are allowed to have different theological expressions?
If so what does it involve?
This certainly is true. The Eastern Catholic Churches are not only “allowed” but are actively encouraged to cultivate their own distinctive theological expressions.
Eastern Catholics, while fully Catholic and in communion with the Pope, differ in more ways than just liturgy. We also possess a unique spiritual tradition, as well as a unique theological approach.
While we agree with the Latin Church on fundamental matters of doctrine, we approach doctrine in a very different way – from the Eastern perspective.
While the Western Church has traditionally formulated doctrine in terms of scholastic Latin theology, we rely almost exclusively on the theology of the Eastern Church Fathers. This difference, rather than rupturing the unity of the Church, further expresses the true UNIVERSALITY of Christ’s Church.
This is authoritatively taught by the Second Vatican Council:
“All in the Church must preserve unity in essentials. But let all, according to the gifts they have received enjoy a proper freedom, in their various forms of spiritual life and discipline, in-their different liturgical rites, and even in their theological elaborations of revealed truth” (UNITATIS REDINTEGRATIO, no. 4).”
(Excerpt above from Doctrine | From East to West)
Returning to the first Roman Catholic prelature approved by two popes, Opus Dei has different theological perspectives on Vatican II. That theological perspective has been updated and rebranded in George Weigel’s book, EVANGELICAL CATHOLICISM. Opus-genre Evangelical Catholicism, now global majority Catholicism, is very different in perspective from Vatican II Catholicism.
Given the above, wouldn’t a Vatican II “Branch” Church with its much more culturally-open theological perspective be the best resolution to national and global Church polarization?
A Vatican II Prelature would perhaps be the first step to a global Vatican II Church. A Vatican II Church could be an invaluable asset to the universal Church alongside the global Opus-genre Evangelical Catholic Church and the 25+ other Eastern and other Rite-Churches in union with Rome, no?
Where YOU Stand Determines the Future of Authentic Catholic Identity and Authority in the Church and in the World Today.
As you seek to show genuine repentance for your communal part in the worldwide sex abuse scandal, you might consider the present immigrant situation at our national borders an opportune moment to exercise your own authentic leadership in the Church.
You must stand, be counted…and be seen, in your full clerical garb, as opposition to the world in its reliance on force as the solution to crisis.
THE SIGHT OF YOU at the borders would do so much more for the local and universal Church than diocesan letters on new reform policies or photo-ops in sanctuary cities.
BODILY STAND TOGETHER BETWEEN the immigrant poor at the border and the guns that greet them in their request for refuge from violence. YOU have more power than you realize, both individually and as a group.
Apart from your national conferences, you have the individual power to single-handedly act not just speak for the Church as the strong and powerful witness that strengthens the faith of people everywhere …as the sainted Bishop Oscar Romero did for his people in the remaining years of this life.
Where YOU Stand Determines the Future of Catholic Identity and Authentic Authority of the Catholic Church in the world today! Perhaps your action would even inspire bishops from different countries to stand in visible solidarity with each other…witnessing opposition to the world in its reliance on domination and force as the solution to crisis.
We offer our prayers for all in leadership of the Catholic Church.
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Everyone Catholic, even Pope Francis
scurrying to pin blame for Church failure
as if laity are immune from
such sins of sexual abuse and cover-up.
Yet I can attest,
as a good number of others can,
that molestation and rape of children and women
are hardly reserved to the clerical caste.
An unknown number of fathers, mothers, family members and others
have long been complicit in both the act and/or cover-up
of the abuse of children.
Might the frenzied hatred toward any group
held in contempt and horror…May that frenzied hatred
be toward something yet uncovered in thy group,
thy family, thyself?
Could some of the moral outrage and self-righteous venom
spewed upon the sex offender or power abuser
be out of deeply-rooted dread that such
desire to abuse has or could occur
Isn’t moral indignation simply cheap grace
when it stands around Jesus at the stoning of the woman
caught in adultery?
Lest we forget, so Jesus reminds us,
Let him or her who is without sin
cast the first death-dealing blow of the stone.
There is something weirdly satisfying and grotesquely sick
about self-righteous condemnation of the other,
As for hierarchy, it is only an attempt at order that has worked for a long time.
Hierarchy grows bureaucracy which naturally fails to deliver
as each age calls forth from it more and more…
until that more is more than it can manage.
Hierarchy is simply one attempt at order that isn’t working very well these days.
Yet each radically altered age is subject to the workings of evolution and new creations.
Instead of bashing hierarchy as the ultimate problem,
why not work at thinking hierarchy into new forms,
like nested hierarchies or rotating hierarchies?
…or even look at the possibility of moving away from hierarchy in the future
toward some yet undiscovered structure of order?
There was a time when damage control worked well for the church. That time is no more!
Now, damage control like sincere apologies, policy changes and even sacrificial scapegoats fail to convince Catholics and others that the Church is determined enough to change its fundamental “modus operandi”.
Fortunately for the church, Catholic consciousness has been raised by the Spirit of Vatican II to expect more than damage control. This new consciousness cannot be rolled back any more than a born child can go back into it’s mother’s womb.
Those who talk about the need for structural change in the church rarely, if ever, recognize the origin of church sex/power abuse in theology itself.
In the past several decades, Popes Paul VI, John Paul II, Benedict XVI, and now Pope Francis have adamantly steered the church away from the deep theological reform that Vatican II set in motion. Their unwavering resistance to deep theological reform unwittingly supported the clerical power abuse and cover-up that we find today in the global Church. Continuation of this resistance will only lead to more virulent and deeply-entrenched power abuse cover-ups.
If the connection between theology and power abuse is not recognized now, then any policy and structural changes enacted by the Church will be worthless. As empowered as the laity will appear to be after all new policy/structural changes are in place, laity will NOT be allowed to cross the boundaries of “religious freedom” around well-guarded Church doctrine.
If Augustine could assimilate Roman ideals into Christian theology, surely by this time, Catholicism is capable of assimilating the best of modern findings in scientific, philosophical and theological research. Vatican II brought attention to the need for updating and adapting the Church to new conditions. With the extent, horror and gravity of the sex/power abuse scandals in the Church, one would think that the Church would wake up to Vatican II and its focus on the many momentous new questions that modern society must deal with in terms of human survival, not to mention the survival of its religious institutions.
The sex/power abuse scandals bring into question the domination model of traditional Biblical understanding and its application in doctrine. The domination interpretation of power in Scripture has been seriously questioned by many post-Vatican II theologians. Even so, the institutional teaching authority of the Church has opposed little, if any, change in this ancient theology of power.
NOW IS THE TIME to re-evaluate theology that sanctifies and sacramentalizes domination. We must ask ourselves: Should modern scriptural interpretation be supporting the understanding of God as the One Who Desires Power Over Us?…justifying the way that we desire power over the earth and each other?
“…even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from the table of their masters” she said to Jesus when he protested against her plea for her daughter’s healing. (Mt 15:27)
So says the foreign woman who insisted against all odds that Jesus heal her daughter...” (Matthew Chap 7: 21-28 and Mark Chap 7: 24-30)
Jesus, by right of Jewish law, Scripture, AND tradition, ignored this pagan Canaanite woman’s plea for his attention.
He ignored her because she did not fit into the the cultural and religious paradigm of salvation which formed his mind and conscience. She was NOT only a woman but a foreign-born, Gentile woman…challenging the man who saw himself as messiah of the Jewish people.
What moxie, what strength of character, what nerve she had!
It is no wonder Jesus’ disciples were irritated by her, as they came and asked Jesus, “Send her away, for she keeps calling out after us.” (Mt 7:23)
But she persisted and INSISTED. And thus Jesus addressed her explaining, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” (Matthew 15:24)
It took a woman, a foreigner, a pagan woman to see Jesus beyond the confines of his own imagination. He wasn’t going to heal her daughter of the demon which plagued her, no matter how she cried out. It wasn’t His Father’s Will, as far as he could see. She was just a foreign pagan woman. What did she know of his mission as Messiah to the Children of God?
But she persisted and INSISTED. What moxie, what strength of character, what nerve she had!
She would NOT be dismissed. She would NOT give up her desire to be part of the inclusive love of God Jesus was proclaiming. Nor would she give up her faith in him as the one who loves large.
Jesus almost listened to his friends and followers. But something made him stop. His compassion for her? …perhaps.
He engages her… at first explaining why he couldn’t help her… God’s will…his mission was at stake…the children of Israel were his only concern. “It is not right to take the food of the children and throw it to the dogs” he explained in a moment of cognitive dissonance. (Mk 7:27)
Yet she stood her ground and reminded him,”…even the dogs eat the crumbs from the table where the children eat.” The crumbs…yes, the crumbs… Jesus must have pondered her response to the moral dilemma she presented to him:
“Crumbs for the dogs under the table? Is it possible?
A place for the outsider at the table of the children of God?
… even if only under the table?”
Unbeknownst to her, this foreign, pagan woman asked for nothing less than a quantum leap in Jesus’ understanding of his broader mission to the world. Then suddenly the moral dilemma resolves itself in Jesus’ mind:
“When she replied and said to him, ‘Lord, even the dogs under the table eat the children’s scraps.; Then Jesus said to her in reply, ‘O woman, great is your faith! Let it be done for you as you wish.’ And her daughter was healed from that hour. (Mark 7: 28 and Matthew 15: 28)
This foreign woman’s faith in God’s Love…her faith in her worth as a person in God’s eyes…and her faith in Jesus and his preaching…THIS faith is what brought Jesus to a moral dilemma in conflict with his Jewish tradition.
This moral dilemma called forth a choice, on Jesus part, between a strict interpretation of tradition and a quantum leap in theological consciousness of how tradition is to be interpreted in his time. It required a quantum leap in Jesus’ understanding of who God is and what God wants…in his historical time and culture.*
Isn’t this the leap in consciousness that we need today in order to re-vision the theology that forms the basis of all doctrine, governance and liturgy in our Church?
Isn’t this the very sense of a living tradition that Vatican II continues to call forth from Christianity and Catholicism today?
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NOTE: Some assume that Jesus knew it all and needed no development of conscience or consciousness, but that would be heresy in regard to Jesus’ full embrace of humanity as defined in the doctrine of the Incarnation. More to come…
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What of the Religious Refugees… fleeing theologies … theologies that clang against the consciousness of this age’s sins and (w)holy wisdom?
To the Nones and Dones and those most nearly done,
the silence of the Holy One is deafeningly loud
…in theologies describing a god so praise-starved and power-hungry
…that it demands our constant adulation and servile obedience
…in theologies describing an all knowing Big Father/Brother in the sky speaking scriptural words of love between the narcissistic lines.
What consciousness is this…
that drives us from the comfort of a sacred family
…wrapped in the solace of sweet hymns and select scriptures
so we not see and question those Words and stories
…strewn with images of such an ignoble and inglorious God?
Bereft of temple, church, synagogue or mosque,
where do we go to find a home?
Or is there even such a place?
Religious refugees driven far from safe homes we knew so long ago,
…the hymns we sang, the Scripture read, so comforting,
now crash as awkward phrases against what we “Now Know”.
“Now Know” not so stately as the holy architecture of theologies so long held bosom-close for comfort.
O Saints before us, who lost your faith in such Go(o)d nonsense…
Is there not something…anything, other than the loss we know today?
Or is all search for the comfort of meaning and certainty
a useless Sisyphus task of rolling boulder uphill
…until it rolls back crushing us
…worn weak and weary in the futility of it all?
We go down into the pit of despair
… with you, O Saints who went there before us.
We have still the wisdom of your love and your courage to live in the not knowing,
…in the shatter-scatter pace of life’s ever-changing face that re-assembles its appearance from …horror to grief to love and back again …in cycles too quick to ponder or assimilate, …sometimes barraged in unremitting painful questions:
Why them? Why me? …Why even ask why?
We refugees of theologies that answer questions of the past with answers from the further past.. …some wisdom there buried under all the dust and shite, for certain.
Yet there is this tingling sense that
wisdom buried under ages having passed,
yet still is with us now
… for every change of time from one epoch to another had its pain of cracking through, like a babe breaking out its mother’s womb…
all tender and powerless, …in need of succor and protection, so like our new consciousness adapting…to its new place and time.
Let us have faith meanwhile, in each other,
…in the everyday uncanonized saints of today and yesterday.
Not idolatrous faith, of course, but rather faith that nurtures love as it re-news life,
…as it makes life NEW again… Creation ongoing, ever-challenging us
…to go on loving…as best we can.
WHERE is the theology that can lead us
…in the way of this ever-adapting gypsy-like home-making faith?
WHERE is the theology sustaining
…a dynamic back-and-forth movement between the wisdom of the past
…and the present moment
…now challenging our consciousness …to RISE UP and BE COUNTED.
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Painting “God’s Holy Refugees” by Consilia Karli, SFCC
Poem by Sister Lea, SFCC with Consilia Karli
no prelature or Church/Rite status out of which to establish
interpret theology, governance and liturgy from a different perspective.
The Vatican II Church has no canonical status or authority.
Opus Dei and the Eastern Churches/rites in union with Rome
have both canonical status and authority in their efforts
to preserve Catholicism as they see it.
Does the Conciliar Vatican II Church have no such rights?
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Does Pope Francis believe the “Reform of the Reform Church” would be a Vatican II Church if it just represented Church laws and doctrines from a more open and pastoral mindset?
Vatican II theologian Massimo Faggioli seems to differ with pastoral approach as being an adequate response. He writes with alarm about “the growing one-way consensus of ‘doing theology’. He further claims that “the politics of funding theological initiatives on Catholic campuses…has even distorted the way of doing theology…whereby “various entities offer not only different but obviously incompatible understandings of Catholicism.”
no prelature or Church/Rite status out of which to establish
interpret theology, governance and liturgy from a different perspective…
no canonical status or authority as Opus Dei
and the Eastern Churches/rites in union with Rome have
in their efforts to preserve Catholicism as they see it.
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Certainly, the Vatican’s choice for “Profound Consensus” over polarization in the Church would seem to be the most logical one. But is it?
Logical or not, the Church is well on the road to a profound consensus which may not be what Vatican secretary Cardinal Parolin was recommending.
National Catholic Reporter: Cardinal Parolin addresses US bishops with call for ‘profound consensus’
Vatican II expert, Massimo Faggioli, describes the reality and danger of one-way polarization within the Church. See link below where Rite Beyond Rome responds to his La Croix International article:
To Read more: https://www.scribd.com/document/370006049/Church-Polarization-or-Stifling-Consensus-Not-the-Only-Choices…
To view and download PDF: Church Polarization or Dangerous Consensus?
When “profound consensus” is rooted in “safe choice” over the risk of allowing the Holy Spirit to break through staid Catholic consciousness, is it the preferred choice for the Church in the world today?
In this instance, wouldn’t it be wiser and more rational to diversify the Church’s expressions of Catholicism in ways that maintain “consensual unity” AND dynamic and creative diversity…?
…as described in the 1973 book, POLARIZATION IN THE CHURCH, edited by Hans Kung and Walter Kasper?
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A conversation with Paula Ruddy in regard to her comments to our post, Church Unity: NOT about merging disparate factions, on this website.
“I can see the intention for this, empathize with it. However, I think there is another way to unity through dialogue among people of different worldviews.
The postmodern cultural view that all are equally valid ways of viewing “reality” supports this strategy for unity, but is it true that Vatican II can be interpreted both as true to the Gospel in opening to the world and as not true to the Gospel in opening to the world? Isn’t there some objectivity in what the Gospel teaches and how the Church should exist in the world?”
Sisters Lea and Consilia reply:
Yes, there have always been different ways of viewing “reality” with every view claiming its own view as valid, even superior to the other’s view of reality.
The problem within the Catholic Church begins when two or more worldviews diverge so radically that they no longer see the Gospel through the same “objectivity” lens. This is the case of the different Gospel views between Opus Dei/ Evangelical Catholicism AND Post-Vatican II understandings of the Gospel. In other countries, the problem is that cultural adaptation to the Gospel is thwarted by “one way only” interpretations of Catholic doctrine and practive.
Pope Benedict may have correctly described the two interpretations of Vatican II as continuity and rupture…continuity with the Council of Trent and rupture as break. However, one might interpret his words differently…as meaning continuity with Church Tradition AND rupture…NOT break or Schism as Pope Benedict implied…but rupture into a new shoot, an evolutionary outgrowth from the Root of Jesse.
“What about the Petrine Ministry to lead in the Gospel direction? Should the Pope say ‘all interpretations of Vatican II are valid’?”
Sisters Lea and Consilia reply:
Insofar as any interpretation of Vatican II can be supported by Vatican II documents or post-Vatican II theology, it would seem the pope ought to consider those interpretations valid.
Of course, this has not been the case with the two popes preceding Pope Francis. For many Catholics today, including George Weigel, the interpretation of Popes John Paul II and Benedict XVI are the ONLY authorized interpretations of Vatican II.
As for the Petrine Ministry of the Pope to lead and unify the Church in the Gospel direction, perhaps the papal ministry for the future lies in coordinating/negotiating the differing Gospel interpretations within a shared Papal/People of God relationship… a negotiating servant-leadership for a challenging multifaceted set of Gospel interpretations. For example, the 20+ Eastern Catholic Rites/Churches in union with Rome, the Opus Dei prelature, and the Anglican ordinariate are but a few examples of this negotiating servant-leadership.
“The question I have about dividing us up is this: Is it good to abandon the mainstream Church to the point of view that the Holy Spirit is NOT IN the world while establishing an ordinariate that believes the Gospel calls for discerning the Holy Spirit and the Kingdom of God WITHIN the world as it is?”
Sisters Lea and Consilia reply:
The questions we have here are these: What is “mainstream Church” Catholicism? The majority viewpoint? The viewpoint of the presiding pontiff?
Is there any point of view within the various Catholic Rites/Churches, prelature, or ordinariates that teaches “the Holy Spirit is NOT in the world”? Perhaps the answer is “yes” when we consider post-Trent Church vs. world theology where the Holy Spirit resides only in the One True Catholic Church. The Second Ecumenical Council pushed back on this view of Church and world. Is this theological viewpoint what is “dividing us up” along with the scientific revolution, the loss of leadership credibility, clericalism, and marginalization of women, divorced Catholics, LGBTQ+, etc?
“Isn’t it better to continue the dialogue among people with evolving worldviews within the Church, depending on the Holy Spirit, faith and reason to keep us together?”
Sisters Lea and Consilia reply:
Indeed, it is ALWAYS better to continue dialogue within the Church. When there is radical divergence in theological interpretation, however, dialogue becomes much more difficult, if not impossible.
Throw inequality of relationship into the mix, as Leonard Swidler discusses in his Dialogue Decalogue and dialogue actually becomes impossible. One has to ask if even the Holy Spirit is impeded from holding us together if we cannot treat each other as the sisters and brothers that Jesus called us to be.
Do the believers in the rightness of Vatican II have brave spokespeople who can make the vision clear and compelling to the mainstream Roman Rite Catholic? If not, how are they going to run an ordinariate?
Sisters Lea and Consilia reply:
One has to wonder if it is necessary “to make the vision clear and compelling to the mainstream Roman Rite Catholic.” If the goal is to win mainstream Catholicism back from the decades of spiritual groundwork done by Evangelicial Catholicism (and its precursor, the Opus Dei Movement/Prelature), that ship has left the harbor.
What we see as possible and URGENT is the redirection of energy spent by those who stand continually waiting in the vestibule of Roman Rite Catholicism, begging and hoping that someday Vatican II will rise again…if only we are patient enough.
If the Apostles never came out of the Upper Room, there would be no Catholic Church today. What were they waiting for? Approval by the Temple High Priest?
As for “brave spokespeople” of the great Second Ecumenical Vatican Council, we have many both in this life and in the hereafter. Fortunately, those who have left us in this life have also left their writings for us to study and discern the earliest spirit and wisdom of Vatican II.
As for how a Vatican II prelature or a Vatican II ordinariate might operate, we do have models today within the Church, models which might be adjusted and applied both to different national cultures and different evolving understandings of a Post-Vatican II Church in an ever-changing world. As in every institutional model, what the model presents is always ONLY a model.
“I appreciate the “Rite Beyond Rome” effort to discern how we should proceed. I hope we keep talking.”
Sisters Lea and Consilia reply:
We appreciate your efforts and the efforts of all those working to discern how we should proceed in moving forward. We intend to explore the prelature, ordinariate models here on https://RiteBeyondRome.com as precursor to a Post-Vatican II Rite/Church in union with Rome, if that is where the Wisdom Spirit of God leads.
And YES, let’s keep talking!
Maybe Fr. Thomas Reese, editor of National Catholic Reporter, is right when he says, “Welcome to the cafeteria” as a way of expressing Catholic unity. He explains why…
“The truth is all Catholics are cafeteria Catholics. Conservative Catholics were quite willing to ignore John Paul’s and Benedict’s strong statements on justice and peace, and progressive Catholics are happy to ignore Francis’ opposition to women priests.”
If this is cafeteria Catholicism, then certainly it will continue to obstruct change in the Catholic Church for generations to come. Thus the Catholic Church will remain one big unhappy family adamantly arguing back and forth as we decide what to fight and what to ignore about liturgy, justice and peace, and opposition to women priests, etc, etc.
So what happens to deep Vatican II reform of the Catholic Church…beyond even its pastoral and merciful approach? Does it simply die of benign neglect or fear of causing schism?
Fr. Reese says, “Catholics need to grow up and learn to live in a church where arguments take place, but we should not let disagreements break up the family. We need to understand that people have different viewpoints and that we can learn from one another by having dialogue. Rather than dividing into partisan factions, we need to model what it means to be a community.”
Yes, “WE ARE Family!” But family cannot grow if it cannot respect each other’s differences and allow one another the space to grow differently. And what if certain members of the family are against differences, against change and against dialog? Do the other family members just bow their heads in submission…in hope that something someday will change before or long after they die? We think NOT!
In 2015, Cardinal Walter Kasper wrote an article in ORIGINS “Vatican II: Toward a Multifaceted Unity”. (Vol 45, #9). He wrote about the unity in diversity needed if we are to make any further progress in ecumenical endeavors. We suggest it is time to look WITHIN our Church to see the possibilities for a “multifaceted unity” because cafeteria style is definitely NOT working for either side of the Church. Pick&Choose cafeteria-style offers no challenge for growth on either side.
We say, “NO” to Cafeteria Catholicism and “YES” to Multifaceted Unity!
Fr. Reese’s article: https://www.ncronline.org/news/opinion/more-catholic-pope
“They did not hesitate to challenge the academic presenters or to raise the stakes by freely expressing their views during the debates.
In fact, they even protested when the presentations of the experts exceeded the time limit and ate into their precious discussion time.
They also criticized the Vatican survey addressed to young people which was considered to be too long or poorly translated.
‘The pope asked us to ‘make chaos,’ that’s precisely what we’re doing,’ said Lucas Barboza with a smile.”
VIEW short VIDEO snippets of their discussions on the link below
(Abajo está la traducción de Eucharist: My Bread Broken on this website.)
“Si no dejas que se rompa tu pan para que bendiga
y alimente a otros, no habrá vida en ti.”
Cuando esto dijo, los demás se alejaron.
Todos quieren una vida mejor,
más vida, y más grandiosa que la dada.
¿Dónde está el punto? ¿Existe tal cosa?
¿Dónde está el punto? ¿Quiero ir ahí?
MI pan, MI todo,
Todo lo que me es caro,
¿Debo dejar que se rompa?
¿Cómo podría ser?
¿Dejar que se rompa mi pan?
¿para QUÉ?… ¡Me ahogo!.
“Sin pan, sin rotura,
Y se alejaron.
¡Oh!, ahí está el roce en mi alma:
MI Pan, MI PAN…
No se debe partir.
Lo quiero como lo quiero
por qué, dónde y cuándo.
Yo lo decido…. y punto.
Debes de tener pan,
tu propio pan. No lo puedes dar,
o deja que se lo lleven.
¿Dejar que se rompa tu pan?
¿Dejar que se ROMPA como se ha de romper?
¿Permitirlo o NO?
¿El Pan roto
no me hará un fracasado?
“¿No acaso lo perdemos de todas maneras?
No nos lo podemos llevar.”
No, pero aun así nos sustenta.
El pan roto, las esperanzas, sueños, ilusiones
y las cosas que casi nunca se cumplen…
porque la vida no se ajusta lo suficiente,
sólo te rodea a ti y a mí.
No puedo partir mi pan…
me lo ha partido la vida.
“Pobre de mí”, el único pan que tenía…
La con-miseración es lo que me hace seguir
seguir y seguir, más y más,
una y otra vez, de vuelta a donde comencé
…¿a menos que parta mi pan?
¿preciosos planes para que las cosas sean lo que deben?
¿lo que yo, tú, ella y él
simplemente deberíamos de ser?
La quieta vocecilla interior
que llama donde sea,
el dónde, el cómo y el por qué carece de razones,
el loco llamado desde un lugar desconocido…
Así que, a menos que parta mi pan,
¿no habrá vida en mí?, ¿en lo que hago?
O sólo sentiré la terrible ausencia de algo…
Me dijeron que sería feliz; que estaría a salvo,
La Certeza y la Seguridad, mis fieles compañeras, merman.
¿Dónde, dónde está el pan que he de partir?
La hermana Lea
(Nuestra más profunda gratitud a Cinthia De Gortari por su fina traducción profesional de este poema.)
Parables that challenge capitalist imperialism and its “Christian” attitudes toward those who have the least on this earth.
Virginia Ramey Mollenkott speaks as prophet to our times.
Abajo está la traducción de Vatican II “Compromise” Documents as Creative Tension on this website.
El extracto del blog que aparece abajo, habla de una disposición para recibir puntos de vista opuestos, en una tensión creativa como la del “Espíritu del Vaticano II”
En respuesta al punto de vista expresado en ese texto, hacemos* las siguientes preguntas: (*Hermanas Lea y Consilia)
- ¿Será capaz el Rito Católico Romano, de abrirse a puntos de vista opuestos, en una “tensión creativa”, cuando se ve a si misma como la Única Santa Sede? ¿O cuando se define a si misma con expresiones como “El Papado” o la Corte Papal? Cuando ve su Catolicismo Rito Romano por encima, por sobre todas las otras Iglesias/Ritos Católicos.
- ¿No fue acaso en el Segundo Concilio Ecuménico Vaticano, en el que se fue capaz de mantener en tensión puntos de vista opuestos, por el solo hecho de que representaba un cuerpo católico más numeroso y no ser únicamente el Rito Romano del Catolicismo?
- El Concilio Vaticano II, de 1962-1965 dio a luz documentos con una “formulación de compromiso”, gracias a un trabajo de toda la Iglesia Católica, que incluía tanto a Roma. Como a las otras 22 Iglesias/Rito no-romano, en comunión con Roma.
- ¿Fue acaso la participación de estas Iglesias/ritos en unión con Roma, (junto con la participación, -sin derecho a voto-, de otras iglesias ritos no-romanos), lo que ayudó a mantener la tensión creativa, de la que se habla o llama “El Espíritu del Vaticano II” …una tensión creativa inscrita en los documentos del Vaticano II que contienen una formulación de compromiso?
- ¿Y no fue acaso la creación ecuménica de estos documentos de “compromiso” que provocaron una respuesta mundial al “Espiritu del Vaticano II”?
- Fue el Espíritu Santo quien abrió las compuertas en el Concilio Vaticano II, precisamente por el hecho mismo de estar reunidos muchos católicos.
Los invitamos a reflexionar sobre estos puntos y a compartir aquí sus opiniones. Gracias. De parte de todos nosotros en https://RiteBeyondRome.com
Las preguntas anteriores son en respuesta a la publicación en el blog traducido debajo:
“En varias partes de los documentos del Vaticano II, se pueden encontrar formulaciones de compromiso que suavizan algunos de los principales conflictos, sin llegar a resolverlos.
El Decreto sobre la Iglesia habla, por un lado, de Colegialidad, por el otro, de la autoridad absoluta del Papa. El Decreto sobre la Liturgia dice: “Lingua Latina est lingua Ecclesiae”. (Diversas traducciones dicen: “El Latin es la lengua de la Iglesia”, “ A Latin language (italiano) es la lengua de la Iglesia,” etc.), pero al mismo tiempo, este decreto abre el camino para un amplio uso de las lenguas vernáculas.
No podemos darle un valor absoluto a la autoridad en la Iglesia, que nos llevaría a un punto en el que no queda espacio para una participación activa de los laicos en la liturgia. De igual manera no podemos enfatizar la naturaleza jerárquica de la Iglesia, que nos llevaría a identificar a la Iglesia con los obispos y el Papa, dejando fuera a los laicos hasta el extremo de estar negando la noción de la Iglesia como Pueblo de Dios.
Estas visiones o posturas, deberán mantenerse en estado de tensión creativa, mientras la Iglesia va adaptándose a las necesidades de los tiempos. Como tales, conformar la base de un diálogo entre hermanas y hermanos, sobre dónde debe ubicarse, dentro de los extremos. Por ejemplo: necesitamos abordar la pregunta, ¿cómo debe ejercerse la vigilancia de la jerarquía, de tal forma que se aliente laparticipación de los creyentes?
…Quizá la voluntad de mantener esta “tensión creativa” cuando se leen e interpretan los documentos del Vaticano II, constituye en realidad una gran parte de lo que llamamos el “Espíritu del Vaticano II”
Animate a compartir
(Nuestra más profunda gratitud a Luisa Maria Rivera por su fina traducción profesional de este artículo.)
Post-Vatican II efforts to significantly rethink Catholic theology have been suppressed over the past few decades, in the same way that the implementation of a Post-Vatican II Rite has been suppressed. WHY?
- Because a post-Vatican II Theology would cut across the political and economic agendas of western civilization, both church and state?
- Because a post-Vatican II Theology created cracks in the wall that kept Judeo-Christian scriptures and tradition within strict political and economic boundaries?
- Because the foundation and daily functioning of top-down church/state structures depend most heavily on the Roman “God-in-charge” model?
- Because the survival of western political/economic agendas depends on the image of an all-knowing, all powerful, judgmental (exclusionary) God-in-Charge? If that image changes, do political/economic agendas change as well?
Modern communication breakthroughs have chipped away at the religious rationale and justification of the Roman Rite western model of authority and power as the gift and will of God. This “chipping away” appears to some as an attack on “God-in-Charge” theology, as if there can only be one and only one theological view of authority .
Post-Vatican II progressive theology emphasizes power-sharing images of God as core scriptural and traditional concepts…concepts heretofore minimized and neglected in favor of the Roman Rite western standard.
Constructionist/activist theologian, Joerg Rieger* explains that the “God in Charge” theological perspective is not the only one, nor even the most beneficial one for society in our time. Rieger explores the popularity and success of right wing theological activism in our time and poses this question:
“Is it possible that Trump’s way of projecting power resonates with the way in which many people of faith perceive God’s power to be at work?”
- (God/Trump) as a doer who can single-handedly fix things if he wants to.
- (God/Trump who) acts without consulting others and without asking for permission
- (God/Trump who) acts without being influenced by anyone else.
- (God/Trump) projects power…strictly from the top down, from a subject to its objects, from the ruler to the ruled.
- (God/Trump) can do anything. According to this logic, might also makes things right.
If “Trump’s way of projecting power resonates with the way in which many people of faith perceive God’s power to be at work,” then the post-Vatican II Rite urgently needs to engage in a Theological Activism that highlights shared power as bona fide scriptural and tradition-based concepts and practices…shared power in no way inferior to the efficient Roman model.
The present underlying theological substructure of politics/economics continues to support the political rise and popularity of dictator-type personalities and trickle-down economics. With no input from progressive activist theologians, is there any hope for substantive change of heart and mind in regard to the stranger? …or any hope, that matter, for change in the ultimately apocalyptic direction in which we are moving at full speed ahead?
Activist progressive theologians, Joerg Rieger* and Kwok Pui Lan*, raise two important questions for us to ponder:
- Is it time for people of faith to think more deeply about the God they are worshiping and the kinds of power they want to support?
- SHOULD we be leaving prayer-based theological activism solely in the hands of politically conservative religious leaders? (And, whether we acknowledge it or not, are we already doing so at our own peril and the peril of our faith, country, and world?)
A post-Vatican II rite in union with Rome has no fear to engage in prayer-based Theological Activism in ecumenical dialogue…exploring how we might see God in new ways…in wisdom ways that are invitational, NOT confrontational or polarizing.
*Activist theologian and author of several books on this subject, Joerg Rieger, co-author of OCCUPY RELIGION: Theology of the Multitude with Kwok Pui Lan are both part of the Occupy Theology Movement.
JOERG RIEGER’s Website: http://joergrieger.com/
URL Link for Huffington Post piece: “Divine Power, Donald Trump, and How the 2016 Presidential Elections Challenge Common Religious Assumption” by Joerg Rieger
Abajo está la traducción de “Dare we Catholics Believe Differently?” on this website.
¿O quizá, aún no hemos entendido la naturaleza o grado de cambio al que él Espíritu Santo nos pidió y contInua ´pidiéndonos a partir del Concilio Vaticano II?
Algunos católicos ven las últimas décadas desde una perspectiva distinta… una erosión de la fé en nuestras doctrinas.
Pero otros ven el Vaticano II como un don del Espiritu Santo, un llamado de Dios que nos pide renovar nuestros puntos de vista de la doctrina… y si éste fuera el caso, hay necesidad de deconstruir en profundidad “cómo eran nuestras creencias antes y como quizá lo sigan siendo hasta el día de hoy”
DECONSTRUCCIÓN DE LA FÉ CATÓLICA
HASTA LLEGAR A LOS FUNDAMENTOS DE NUESTRA FÉ,
CREENCIAS ATESORADAS DE LA DOCTRINA
CON EL FIN DE LLEGAR HASTA LA RAIZ Y
A SU APLICABIULIDAD EN NUESTRO TIEMPO
No se trata de cambiar o quebrantar la teología del Rito Romano,
la cual mantiene a la institución focalizada, en la certeza y seguridad, del día a día en el mundo, sino manteniendo una teología amigable en su unión con Roma…
…desde la perspectiva de un mundo en constante proceso de adaptación, ante los sucesivos cambios;
…que cada teología cuestione a la otra en nuestra Fé diversa en Jesús, el Cristo y nuestra proclamación al mundo, de la Buena Nueva.
Fé diversa, que habla desde dos perspectivas diferentes
- El Catolicismo del Rito Romano habla desde la perspectiva de una “fuerza poderosa”, de un Dios jerárquico, inmutable, omnisciente, todopoderoso, que lo sabe todo, que está en todas partes, un dios que diseñó el universo conforme a su voluntad.
- El Catolicismo Rito Vaticano II, habla desde la perspectiva de la fuerza “débil” de un Dios, que llama y promete, pero no ordena, espera una respuesta pero no la exige. El Nombre de este Dios contiene un evento que nos dilata, más allá de lo que sabemos, o tenemos certeza, de hacia dónde debemos ir,
hacia un orden distinto del jerarquico, (quizá es la teoría del orden interno del caos).
…un Dios que se mantiene “ un paso atrás”, y que nos que revela lo mucho que tendemos a apoyarnos en la fuerza y en el poder
… una voluntad divina que modela y solicita el perdón, la hospitalidad y el amor al otro: el factor determinante de quién descubre o “entra” en el Reino de Dios.
Muchas gracias a Luisa Maria Rivera por su traducción de este artículo!
Ver, compartir, descargar: Explorando el Camino Del Concilio al Nuevo Rito:
Documento de posición: Para resolver la polarización iglesia
Por favor comparta sus pensamientos!
Sisters Lea and Consilia